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Old January 3rd, 2017, 12:21 PM   #1
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Thumbs up What was more impressive

Brady Hoke's record after two seasons following RR's small ball team/recruiting: 19-7

OR

Jim Harbaugh's record after two seasons following BH's great recruiting and similar style of systems: 20-6


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Old January 3rd, 2017, 12:59 PM   #2
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You should really be conducting a study of Nebraska football under Bill Callahan, Bo Pellini, and Mike Riley. Call it, "No More 'Roids - the Clean Effect."
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 12:59 PM   #3
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 01:00 PM   #4
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hoss.. LOL
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 01:02 PM   #5
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Definitely Hoke.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 01:02 PM   #6
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You should really be studying the state of Nebraska football under Bill Callahan, Bo Pellini, and Mike Riley.
very Rich Rod like, with a couple first two years of Hoke
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 01:54 PM   #7
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Definitely Hoke.

I believe at this point, after the sugar bowl win, Hoke was the next coming.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 02:04 PM   #8
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He was. No doubt about that. I know I thought he was.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 02:11 PM   #9
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And I freely admit how wrong I was.

Hoke was so damn lucky in his first two years. There is no rational reason that UM won that Sugar Bowl.

On the other hand, Harbaugh put together an o-line and qb with scotch tape and air the last 2 years. Next year will really show how good a staff we have, because the oline on paper looks to be really bad.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 02:12 PM   #10
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Not me- never, was wrong about RichRod though.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 02:14 PM   #11
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So Hoke was luck the first two years? Or did RR really bad recruiting catch up to Hoke during season 3 and 4?
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 03:01 PM   #12
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paul...

Michigan starting OL against FSU, by * and Nat'l Rk:

Braden: 3* No. 40
Bredeson: 4* No. 1
Cole: 4* No. 18
Kalis: 5* No. 6
Magnuson: 4* No. 15

Speight was a 3*, No. 30 Dropback QB

THAT is scotch tape??
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It may not be bama, but that is not scotch tape.. jmo
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 03:03 PM   #14
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Shows how wrong the recruiting services can be. Though, to be fair, they've improved the last two seasons under Drevno. They were really terrible in Hoke's last season.
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Kalis: 5* Whiffing at air is his specialty - what a flop
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 03:34 PM   #16
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Look at the highlights of M-ND and the Sugar Bowl. Two of the most ridiculous victories ever. In the ND game at least Denard and his WRs made the plays, but the Sugar Bowl was just ridiculous.

I'll admit it too; I was hooked by Hoke after Year 1. But by the ND game the next year I was ready to move off him, and definitely hated Borges. That ND game was a masterclass in stupid playcalling.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 04:21 PM   #17
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You'd have to break down each of Hoke's wins and losses v. JH's to conclude anything and then maybe not even then.

Hokeorges's offenses had zero identity. It was incoherent and my sense is when they won a game it was a wacky win and when they lost M got hammered.

The only hammering I can suggest is meaningful in this sort of subjective undertaking is M's loss to osu in JH's first season. The majority of JHs 20 wins were beat downs of teams that got blown out. The losses were all close with M in every one of them except osu in 2015.

Although I may not love M's offensive identity right now it has one. The play calling is coherent and, for the most part, makes sense (exceptions at times noted).

Durkin and Brown, although fielding different styles of defense had good ones with Brown being >>> Durkin, esp. v spready teams, and Durkin wasn't bad.

Hoke's defenses under Mattison were OK but unless M was defending power teams, not spready ones, they weren't terribly good.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 06:07 PM   #18
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Hoke played an awful B1G in '11/'12 and was more lucky than impressive in his wins/losses. B1G has improved and Harbaugh has lost more 'tough' games where the ball bounced the other way.

I'd be very interested in looking at both of their advanced statistics, I'm sure Harbaugh would be far, far more impressive. Regardless, Hoke's teams got much worse every season.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 10:41 AM   #19
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It'd be nice to have Hoke the recruiter instead of Drevno the recruiter.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 11:09 AM   #20
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Hoke was a good recruiter. He recruited Ohio well too
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